| Inferno a întrebat:

De ce oamenii dezechilibrati psihic (nebunii) vorbesc de Dumnezeu si notiuni ce tin de religie. Majoritatea nebunilor fie se cred Dumnezeu,fie Iisus,Sf Petru sau orice alt sfant, martiri, etc. Majoritatea se cred slujitori ai Lui Dumnezeu. Poate religia sa inebuneasca oamenii sau prinde religia bine la nebuni?

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| MMihai a răspuns:

Deja postarea asta, îi jignește pe creștini!
În loc să le explici, cu exemple concrete, de ce religia lor, este o prostie, tu te apuci să îi jignești!

| Inferno explică (pentru MMihai):

Postarea asta nu jigneste pe nimeni.

| martzian a răspuns (pentru Inferno):

"Postarea asta nu jigneste pe nimeni." - Eu cred ca te jigneste doar pe tine, cel putin pentru ca vine in contradictie cu impresia pe care ne-o facusem (e drept, zdruncinata in ultima vreme) despre tine.

| OOOLEOOO a răspuns:

Daca un om nu traieste, nu gandeste precum traiesti/gandesti tu nu cred ca merita catalogat nebun, ci doar diferit.

Fiecare minte isi creaza propria relitate in care prorpia persoana este convinsa ca traieste adevarul.

| Inferno explică (pentru OOOLEOOO):

Atunci de ce mai exista ospicii?

| OOOLEOOO a răspuns (pentru Inferno):

''Daca un om nu traieste, nu gandeste precum traiesti/gandesti tu nu cred ca merita catalogat nebun, ci doar diferit.''

Aceasta fraza este dedicata celor care considera religia o nebunie.

| Mădă0611 a răspuns:

Da, religia poate sa innebuneasca oamenii. Am mai dat pe aici exemplul asta. De mici invata ca dumnezeu = bine, diavol = rau. E firesc sa gresesti, adica sa faci "rau", asa ca unii cred ca au facut asta pentru ca sunt posedati, asa ca fie incep sa se comporte ca un posedat, crezand ca sunt, mintea ii "ajuta", fie incep sa prea umble pe la biserici, manastiri, intr-un final ajungand sa vada/sa vorbeasca doar pe/despre dumnezeu si diavol, ca responsabil de orice lucru "rau". Devin paranoici.
La a 2-a intrebare, ma abtin.

| BeyondTheDarkSun a răspuns:

Imi amintesc de bunica mea... Era nebuna, si fanatica religioasa si avea o credinta de otel. Daca dai in credinta ei, se propaga un efect negativ inapoi la tine.

| PαtнwαуTσBℓιѕѕ a răspuns:

Nu e nebun cine isi iubeste Tatal, Dumnezeu spune ca :
Proverbs 18:2 ESV
A fool takes no pleasure in understanding, but only in expressing his opinion.
Proverbs 26:19 ESV
Is the man who deceives his neighbor and says, "I am only joking!"


Proverbs 29:11 ESV

A fool gives full vent to his spirit, but a wise man quietly holds it back.

Proverbs 1:7 ESV

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Proverbs 18:6 ESV

A fool's lips walk into a fight, and his mouth invites a beating.

Matthew 5:22 ESV

But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire.

Proverbs 29:9 ESV

If a wise man has an argument with a fool, the fool only rages and laughs, and there is no quiet.

Proverbs 26:3-12 ESV

A whip for the horse, a bridle for the donkey, and a rod for the back of fools. Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes. Whoever sends a message by the hand of a fool cuts off his own feet and drinks violence. Like a lame man's legs, which hang useless, is a proverb in the mouth of fools...

Proverbs 28:26 ESV

Whoever trusts in his own mind is a fool, but he who walks in wisdom will be delivered.

Titus 3:1-11 ESV

Remind them to be submissive to rulers and authorities, to be obedient, to be ready for every good work, to speak evil of no one, to avoid quarreling, to be gentle, and to show perfect courtesy toward all people. For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by others and hating one another. But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own merci, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit,...

Proverbs 18:7 ESV

A fool's mouth is his ruin, and his lips are a snare to his soul.

Proverbs 10:23 ESV

Doing wrong is like a joke to a fool, but wisdom is pleasure to a man of understanding.

Proverbs 14:7-9 ESV

Leave the presence of a fool, for there you do not meet words of knowledge. The wisdom of the prudent is to discern his way, but the folly of fools is deceiving. Fools mock at the guilt offering, but the upright enjoy acceptance.

Proverbs 15:20 ESV

A wise son makes a glad father, but a foolish man despises his mother.

Psalm 14:1 ESV

To the choirmaster. Of David. The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good.

Proverbs 3:35 ESV

The wise will inherit honor, but fools get disgrace.

Proverbs 15:21 ESV

Folly is a joy to him who lacks sense, but a man of understanding walks straight ahead.

Proverbs 17:28 ESV

Even a fool who keeps silent is considered wise; when he closes his lips, he is deemed intelligent.

Proverbs 14:15 ESV

The simple believes everything, but the prudent gives thought to his steps.

Ecclesiastes 7:9 ESV

Be not quick in your spirit to become angry, for anger lodges in the bosom of fools.

Proverbs 26:18-19 ESV

Like a madman who throws firebrands, arrows, and death is the man who deceives his neighbor and says, "I am only joking!"

Proverbs 15:14 ESV

The heart of him who has understanding seeks knowledge, but the mouths of fools feed on folly.

Proverbs 14:16 ESV

One who is wise is cautious and turns away from evil, but a fool is reckless and careless.

Proverbs 12:16 ESV

The vexation of a fool is known at once, but the prudent ignores an insult.

Proverbs 9:13-17 ESV

The woman Folly is loud; she is seductive and knows nothing. She sits at the door of her house; she takes a seat on the highest places of the town, calling to those who pass by, who are going straight on their way, "Whoever is simple, let him turn in here!" And to him who lacks sense she says, "Stolen water is sweet, and bread eaten in secret is pleasant."

Proverbs 1:22 ESV

"How long, O simple ones, will you love being simple? How long will scoffers delight in their scoffing and fools hate knowledge?

Ecclesiastes 4:5 ESV

The fool folds his hands and eats his own flesh.

Proverbs 10:8 ESV

The wise of heart will receive commandments, but a babbling fool will come to ruin.

Titus 3:3 ESV

For we ourselves were once foolish, disobedient, led astray, slaves to various passions and pleasures, passing our days in malice and envy, hated by others and hating one another.

Proverbs 15:2 ESV

The tongue of the wise commends knowledge, but the mouths of fools pour out folly.

James 2:20-24 ESV

Do you want to be shown, you foolish person, that faith apart from works is useless? Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up his son Isaac on the altar? You see that faith was active along with his works, and faith was completed by his works; and the Scripture was fulfilled that says, "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness"—and he was called a friend of God. You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone.

James 1:19-20 ESV

Know this, my beloved brothers: let every person be quick to hear, slow to speak, slow to anger; for the anger of man does not produce the righteousness of God.

Romans 12:2 ESV

Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.

Luke 12:20 ESV

But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul is required of you, and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?’

Proverbs 20:3 ESV

It is an honor for a man to keep aloof from strife, but every fool will be quarreling.

Proverbs 10:14 ESV

The wise lay up knowledge, but the mouth of a fool brings ruin near.

Psalm 53:1 ESV

To the choirmaster: according to Mahalath. A Maskil of David. The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, doing abominable iniquity; there is none who does good.

Proverbs 9:6-8 ESV

Leave your simple ways, and live, and walk in the way of insight." Whoever corrects a scoffer gets himself abuse, and he who reproves a wicked man incurs injury. Do not reprove a scoffer, or he will hate you; reprove a wise man, and he will love you.

Proverbs 14:29 ESV

Whoever is slow to anger has great understanding, but he who has a hasty temper exalts folly.

Proverbs 14:1 ESV

The wisest of women builds her house, but folly with her own hands tears it down.

Luke 12:16-20 ESV

And he told them a parable, saying, "The land of a rich man produced plentifully, and he thought to himself, ‘What shall I do, for I have nowhere to store my crops?’ And he said, ‘I will do this: I will tear down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. And I will say to my soul, Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.’ But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul is required of you, and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?’

Proverbs 17:25 ESV

A foolish son is a grief to his father and bitterness to her who bore him.

1 Peter 5:8 ESV

Be sober-minded; be watchful. Your adversary the devil prowls around like a roaring lion, seeking someone to devour.

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14

The end of the matter; all has been heard. Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the whole duty of man. For God will bring every deed into judgment, with every secret thing, whether good or evil.

Psalm 107:17 ESV

Some were fools through their sinful ways, and because of their iniquities suffered affliction;

Proverbs 15:5 ESV

A fool despises his father's instruction, but whoever heeds reproof is prudent.

Proverbs 13:20 ESV

Whoever walks with the wise becomes wise, but the companion of fools will suffer harm.

Proverbs 10:1 ESV

The proverbs of Solomon. A wise son makes a glad father, but a foolish son is a sorrow to his mother.

Proverbs 17:24 ESV

The discerning sets his face toward wisdom, but the eyes of a fool are on the ends of the earth.

Proverbs 10:13 ESV

On the lips of him who has understanding, wisdom is found, but a rod is for the back of him who lacks sense.

Psalm 111:10 ESV

The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom; all those who practice it have a good understanding. His praise endures forever!

Psalm 14:1-4 ESV

To the choirmaster. Of David. The fool says in his heart, "There is no God." They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good. The Lord looks down from heaven on the children of man, to see if there are any who understand, who seek after God. They have all turned aside; together they have become corrupt; there is none who does good, not even one. Have they no knowledge, all the evildoers who eat up my people as they eat bread and do not call upon the Lord?

1 Corinthians 1:27 ESV

But God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong;

Matthew 7:26 ESV

And everyone who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand.

Ecclesiastes 10:15 ESV

The toil of a fool wearies him, for he does not know the way to the city.

Ecclesiastes 10:11-15 ESV

If the serpent bites before it is charmed, there is no advantage to the charmer. The words of a wise man's mouth win him favor, but the lips of a fool consume him. The beginning of the words of his mouth is foolishness, and the end of his talk is evil madness. A fool multiplies words, though no man knows what is to be, and who can tell him what will be after him? The toil of a fool wearies him, for he does not know the way to the city.

Proverbs 10:18 ESV

The one who conceals hatred has lying lips, and whoever utters slander is a fool.

Proverbs 10:10 ESV

Whoever winks the eye causes trouble, but a babbling fool will come to ruin.

Psalm 5:5 ESV

The boastful shall not stand before your eyes; you hate all evildoers.

1 Corinthians 3:11-15 ESV

For no one can lay a foundation other than that which is laid, which is Jesus Christ. Now if anyone builds on the foundation with gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, straw— each one's work will become manifest, for the Day will disclose it, because it will be revealed by fire, and the fire will test what sort of work each one has done. If the work that anyone has built on the foundation survives, he will receive a reward. If anyone's work is burned up, he will suffer loss, though he himself will be saved, but only as through fire.

Ecclesiastes 10:2 ESV

A wise man's heart inclines him to the right, but a fool's heart to the left.

Proverbs 21:20 ESV

Precious treasure and oil are in a wise man's dwelling, but a foolish man devours it.

Proverbs 19:13 ESV /

A foolish son is ruin to his father, and a wife's quarreling is a continual dripping of rain.

Proverbs 17:12 ESV

Let a man meet a she-bear robbed of her cubs rather than a fool in his folly.

Proverbs 13:16 ESV

In everything the prudent acts with knowledge, but a fool flaunts his folly.

1 John 4:18 ESV

There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear. For fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not been perfected in love.

Luke 12:16-21 ESV

And he told them a parable, saying, "The land of a rich man produced plentifully, and he thought to himself, ‘What shall I do, for I have nowhere to store my crops?’ And he said, ‘I will do this: I will tear down my barns and build larger ones, and there I will store all my grain and my goods. And I will say to my soul, Soul, you have ample goods laid up for many years; relax, eat, drink, be merry.’ But God said to him, ‘Fool! This night your soul is required of you, and the things you have prepared, whose will they be?’...

Proverbs 26:1-28 ESV

Like snow in summer or rain in harvest, so honor is not fitting for a fool. Like a sparrow in its flitting, like a swallow in its flying, a curse that is causeless does not alight. A whip for the horse, a bridle for the donkey, and a rod for the back of fools. Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest you be like him yourself. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own eyes...

Proverbs 23:9 ESV

Do not speak in the hearing of a fool, for he will despise the good sense of your words.

Proverbs 15:7 ESV

The lips of the wise spread knowledge; not so the hearts of fools.

Proverbs 14:9 ESV

Fools mock at the guilt offering, but the upright enjoy acceptance.

Proverbs 14:8 ESV

The wisdom of the prudent is to discern his way, but the folly of fools is deceiving.

Proverbs 6:1-35 ESV

My son, if you have put up security for your neighbor, have given your pledge for a stranger, if you are snared in the words of your mouth, caught in the words of your mouth, then do this, my son, and save yourself, for you have come into the hand of your neighbor: go, hasten, and plead urgently with your neighbor. Give your eyes no sleep and your eyelids no slumber; save yourself like a gazelle from the hand of the hunter, like a bird from the hand of the fowler...

Luke 16:19-31 ESV

"There was a rich man who was clothed in purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. And at his gate was laid a poor man named Lazarus, covered with sores, who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table. Moreover, even the dogs came and licked his sores. The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried, and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side...

Proverbs 15:24

The path of life leads upward for the prudent, that he may turn away from Sheol beneath.

Psalm 74:18-22

Remember this, O Lord, how the enemy scoffs, and a foolish people reviles your name. Do not deliver the soul of your dove to the wild beasts; do not forget the life of your poor forever. Have regard for the covenant, for the dark places of the land are full of the habitations of violence. Let not the downtrodden turn back in shame; let the poor and needy praise your name. Arise, O God, defend your cause; remember how the foolish scoff at you all the day!

James 2:25-26 ESV

And in the same way was not also Rahab the prostitute justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, so also faith apart from works is dead.

Romans 8:1-39 ESV

There is therefore now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life has set you free in Christ Jesus from the law of sin and death. For God has done what the law, weakened by the flesh, could not do. By sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and for sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, in order that the righteous requirement of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit...

Luke 15:21-22 ESV

And the son said to him, ‘Father, I have sinned against heaven and before you. I am no longer worthy to be called your son.’ But the father said to his servants, ‘Bring quickly the best robe, and put it on him, and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet.

Luke 10:20 ESV

Nevertheless, do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven."

Mark 7:21-23 ESV

For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person."

Matthew 25:1-13 ESV

"Then the kingdom of heaven will be like ten virgins who took their lamps and went to meet the bridegroom. Five of them were foolish, and five were wise. For when the foolish took their lamps, they took no oil with them, but the wise took flasks of oil with their lamps. As the bridegroom was delayed, they all became drowsy and slept...

Matthew 23:17 ESV

You blind fools! For which is greater, the gold or the temple that has made the gold sacred?

2 Timothy 3:16 ESV

All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness,

1 Corinthians 5:5 ESV

You are to deliver this man to Satan for the destruction of the flesh, so that his spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord.

Romans 1:20 ESV

For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.

Psalm 5:1-12 ESV

To the choirmaster: for the flutes. A Psalm of David. Give ear to my words, O Lord; consider my groaning. Give attention to the sound of my cry, my King and my God, for to you do I pray. O Lord, in the morning you hear my voice; in the morning I prepare a sacrifice for you and watch. For you are not a God who delights in wickedness; evil may not dwell with you. The boastful shall not stand before your eyes; you hate all evildoers...

Revelation 11:10 ESV

And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and make merry and exchange presents, because these two prophets had been a torment to those who dwell on the earth.

Romans 11:19-22 ESV

Then you will say, "Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in." That is true. They were broken off because of their unbelief, but you stand fast through faith. So do not become proud, but fear. For if God did not spare the natural branches, neither will he spare you. Note then the kindness and the severity of God: severity toward those who have fallen, but God's kindness to you, provided you continue in his kindness. Otherwise you too will be cut off.

| martzian a răspuns:

Mergi si tu pe la spital. Vei gasi si "oameni de stiinta" - savanti, printre nebuni. Acum, cu onestitate, chiar crezi ca intrebarea ta merita luata in serios?

| Inferno explică (pentru martzian):

Ce pot sa spun? Sunt un tip cu multiple personalitati.

| martzian a răspuns (pentru Inferno):

In nici un caz. Sunteti mai multi sau treci printr-o pasa proasta - esti confuz... Mason nu esti sigur (apropo de nebuni) desi te bati cu caramida in piept.happy

| martzian a răspuns:

Ia si tu partea cea buna din logo-ul tau. God si geometry - e vorba de Arhitectul care a creat acest univers, desi bietii masoni de care te lasi tu amagit au amestecat lucrurile rau de tot...

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| Anonim a răspuns:

Asa a lasat Dumnezeu, ca intalepciunea nebunului sa rusineze nebunia intaleptului.fiindca a hotarat, ca, sa fie rusinate cele mari, de catre cele mici.un nebun era dus in lanturi la inchisoare.el il vedea pe necuratul.acesta statea cu un tovaras de-al lui si fuma.arestatul spunea; il vad pe satana.scoate fum pe nari si pe ochi.ia te uita asta te-a vazut! zice necuratul celuilalt.ei si ce? l-a crezut cineva? vezi tu hadesule? mi s-a intamplat personal, si nu l-am crezut pe respectivul.ba chiar am ras de el.dar el era intalept in nebunia lui.eu doar ma dadeam.

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| Anonim a răspuns:

Constantine? au dreptate toti. chiar si doctorul fiindca; gura pacatosului adevar graieste.si prin credinta in Iisus, avem toti dreptul sa strigam ava, care inseamna TATA.de aia spune tatal nostru.

| AlecsRvaSpunePa a răspuns:

Mai, haide sa-ti zic o chestie.Pentru un nebun, tu esti nebunul, pentru ca nu faci ca el.O persoana cu probleme psihice atestate care a stat intr-un azil a avut in salon doar biblia sa o citeasca, nu televizor, nu ziare.La persoanele instabile psihic li se da de cele mai multe ori sa citeasca biblia pentru ca acolo sunt anumite invataturi care sunt relatate la un nivel subcultural pe care il poate intelege orice nebun.De aici ei trag concluzia ca sunt slujitorii lui dumnezeu.

Cat despre religie in sine, singurul sau scop este de a inebunii oamenii si de a-i tine sub control! Religia in adevarat sa forma are ca scop iluminarea spirituala.Ti se pare ca esti iluminat spiritual daca iti freci portofelul de racle si bati cruci pe langa fiecare biserica?

| Inferno explică (pentru AlecsRvaSpunePa):

Deci Biblia este scris atat de primitiv incat si nebunii sunt capabili sa o inteleaga. Oau, interesant. Eu stiam ca pentru a putea scrie ceva pe intelesul unui nebun trebuie sa fi si tu unul. Si asa este, numai ca acel nebun nu a citit Biblia cand era nebun, pentru ca daca facea asta tot nu intelegea nimic, a citit-o inainte sa inebuneasca, iar informatia a ramas.

| AlecsRvaSpunePa a răspuns (pentru Inferno):

Uite, tu de exemplu vorbesti despre religie ca si cum ai fi impotriva ei, eu cel putin asa am inteles.Dar totusi ai la avatar insemnul masonic sub care este scris Science.Tu intelegi ce inseamna acel echer, compas si acel G? Daca intelegeai cu adevarat, ti-ai fi dat seama ca stiinta nu are nici o legatura cu masoneria! In concluzie avatarul tau este eronat!

| AlecsRvaSpunePa a răspuns (pentru Inferno):

Cat despre explicatia ta, te contrazici singur! Ai spus ca pentru a scrie ceva pe intelesul unui nebun, tu insuti trebuie sa fii nebun. Dupa care ai mai spus ca acel nebun in cauza nu a citit biblia cand era nebun pentru ca nu ar fi inteles-o.Deci pana la urma este biblia scrisa de nebuni pe intelesul nebunilor sau numai dupa ce inebunesti din varii motive o vei putea intelege?

| Inferno explică (pentru AlecsRvaSpunePa):

In niciun caz masoneria nu este o religie, in sensul folosit de primitivi.
Echierul si rigla + partea spirituala si partea materiala.
G= God(zeu, Dumnezeu), genius, geometrie
"...stiinta nu are nici o legatura cu masoneria!"
Are, pentru ca principiile masonice, daca pot sa le numesc asa, sunt adevarate. Iar adevarul este stiinta si in niciun caz nestiinta.

| Inferno explică (pentru AlecsRvaSpunePa):

Din raspunsul tau deduc ca nu cunosti sensurile pe care le poate avea cuvantul stiinta.

| Inferno explică (pentru AlecsRvaSpunePa):

In plus, am scris termenul stiinta jos, sub echer, daca asta-ti spune ceva bine, daca nu iar bine.

| AlecsRvaSpunePa a răspuns (pentru Inferno):

Tin sa te anunt ca esti prost informat! G-ul acela nu inseamna dumnezeu, geniu sau nu mai stiu ce.Simbolizeaza Golgotha! Locul unde a fost crucificat Isus! In alte insemnari in locul G-ului putem gasi un craniu uman, care din nou simbolizeaza drumul oaselor si dealul craniului (Golgotha).In alte cuvinte masoneria are la baza ezoterismul si misticismul preluat din registrul laic! In concluzie, ceea ce pentru noi este stiinta, pentru ei este misticism, ezoterism!

| Inferno explică (pentru AlecsRvaSpunePa):

G-ul acela inseamna peste 20 de lucruri si tu-mi spui ca inseamna doar Golgotha, este incredibil.

| Inferno explică (pentru AlecsRvaSpunePa):

Tot nu ai inteles ca folosesc termenul "stiinta" in sensul lar al cuvantului?

| martzian a răspuns (pentru Inferno):

"Are, pentru ca principiile masonice, daca pot sa le numesc asa, sunt adevarate" - Care sunt principiile astea? Si dupa ce criterii sunt adevarate?

"Iar adevarul este stiinta si in niciun caz nestiinta." - Am avut nenumarate discutii cu tine in care ai ridicat din umeri. Deci faza cu adevarul e o mare vrajeala.

PS: Tu ce legatura ai cu masoneria? Habar nu ai cu ce se mananca, desi incerci sa pari mason. laughing

| Inferno explică (pentru martzian):

Nu sunt mason. Dar imi place foarte mult modul in care se impart lucrurile in masonerie. Sa-ti dau un exemplu, o pilda masonica, in care un mester a fost ucis pentru ca nu a vrut sa-si imparta cunostintele cu ucenicii. In masonerie acest mester este considerat un erou, chiar pentru faptul ca nu si-a dezvalui tainele in fata mediocritatii umane si a preferat sa moara cu ele. O conceptie interesanta care mie imi place. Tot asa simbolistica, ce reprezina acei oameni, ignoranta, invidie. Si asta imi place iar. Ma rog, este doar un exemplu sunt multe lucruri care-mi plac in masonerie.

| martzian a răspuns (pentru Inferno):

Eu stiam ca vine de la God si geometry.

| martzian a răspuns (pentru Inferno):

"Dar imi place foarte mult modul in care se impart lucrurile in masonerie." - Ma gandeam eu. Din pacate naivitatea asta te costa deja.

| rocco09 a răspuns:

Oare si mao si stalin si restul persoanelor care au pretins inchinare sa fi fost nebuni? Ateismul sa fie o ideologie care prinde bine la nebuni?

| Inferno explică (pentru rocco09):

Ce legatura are ateismul cu subiectul. Ce legatura au" stalin, mao" cu subiectul?

| Inferno explică (pentru rocco09):

Niciuna? Atunci cum explici faptul ca majoritatea nebunilor sunt religiosi?

| Inferno explică (pentru rocco09):

Stii bine ca este posibil sa delirezi intr-o sumedenie de moduri, poti sa spui ca esti un elefant roz inaripat, ca esti un extraterestru, etc. Cu toate acestea majoritatea nebunilor spun ca sunt Dumnezeu sau alte presonaje biblice, de ce?
De ce cand un nebun delireaza adesea delirul este inspirat din religie?

| AlecsRvaSpunePa a răspuns (pentru Inferno):

Mai, intr-un fel ai avut dreptate, nu devi nebun decat abia dupa ce citesti biblia.Toate practicile religioase, spirituale, meditative stimuleaza preponderent o singura emisfera a creierului. Cealalta care tine de formarea ideilor proprii, logica si contactul cu realitatea va deveni usor usor inactiva daca te axezi mult prea mult pe partea spirituala.

| rocco09 a răspuns (pentru Inferno):

Intai vino cu statistica cand spui "majoritatea" si apoi mai discutam pe tema asta! Iar mai apoi sa pornim de la premisa asta a ta nefondata, sunt mai multi, pentru ca ponderea religioasa in Romania e mai mare, pun pariu ca in coreea de nord toti nebunii sunt atei! Iar apoi, nebunii care isi atribuie alte personalitati nu sunt neaparat religioase, sunt care se considera napoleon, sau cezar sau caine samd! Faci presupuneri nefondate si mai apoi vrei sa tragi concluzii realiste!

| martzian a răspuns (pentru Inferno):

"Atunci cum explici faptul ca majoritatea nebunilor sunt religiosi?" - Pe ce te bazezi cand spui asta? Si cum demonstrezi stiintific faptul ca este o cauzalitate intre religie si nebunie? Discutia este veche si eu unul am aratat cat este de penibila si neinformata o astfel de abordare... sad

| Inferno explică (pentru martzian):

"Cu cat urci mai us, cu atat va creste mai mult si prapastia."

| martzian a răspuns (pentru Inferno):

Am inteles. Nu mi-ai raspuns la intrebare.

| rocco09 a răspuns:

Exact aceeasi care o are si religia cu nebunia, adica niciuna!

| rocco09 a răspuns:

Aveam pretentii de la tine, cel putin te tii argumentat, ala e argument de raspuns castigator?

| martzian a răspuns (pentru rocco09):

"Aveam pretentii de la tine, cel putin te tii argumentat, ala e argument de raspuns castigator?" - Eu cred ca sunt mai multe persoane care scriu pe contul bietului Inferno. Diferentele (cultura, respect, bun simt, logica, etc. sunt mult prea mari).

| Inferno explică (pentru martzian):

"Eu cred ca te jigneste doar pe tine, cel putin pentru ca vine in contradictie cu impresia pe care ne-o facusem (e drept, zdruncinata in ultima vreme) despre tine"
"Cine priveste dincolo de aparente o face pe riscul lui." OScar Wilde.

| martzian a răspuns (pentru Inferno):

"Cine priveste dincolo de aparente o face pe riscul lui." OScar Wilde. - Ma mira ca tocmai tu spui asta, avand in vedere antecedentele... laughing

| Inferno explică (pentru martzian):

De ce crezi ca am postat acel citat¿

| martzian a răspuns (pentru Inferno):

Pentru ca nu stii ca, in ciuda progresului stiintei, ultimele studii (Standford University) indica faptul ca omul involueaza, tendinta fiind sa fie tot mai putin inteligent si mai impotent dpv emotional... Nu-mi spune ca, pe masura ce omul e tot mai putin inclinat spre divinitate, lucrurile nu ar trebui sa stea exact invers - cel putin potrivit logicii tale. happy

| iubirecredintasisperanta a răspuns:

Un credincios nu este o persoana bolnava mintal, care nu mai detine controlul asupra comportamentului si gandirii sale, ci este un om liber care alege sa creada in Dumnezeu, sa faca ceea ce simte inima sa, sa-l iubeasca pe Tatal Ceresc, sa-l iubeasca pe cel pe care il considera creatorul lumii si a tot ce ne inconjoara, sa-l iubeasca pe Fiul Sau Iisus Hristos, care si-a dat viata pentru oameni aratandu-ne astfel iubirea imensa a Lui Dumnezeu si care a facut pe acest pamant lucruri pe care omul nu le poate face: ( a vindecat pe bolnavi… orbi, şchiopi, surzi; chiar a înviat şi doi oameni din morţi. A dovedit că are putere asupra lucrurilor… a înmulţit mâncarea într-atât încât au putut mânca pe săturate câteva mii de oameni. A făcut minuni şi în ce priveşte natura… a mers pe lac, a poruncit unei furtuni puternice să înceteze. Oamenii de pretutindeni mergeau după El fiindcă le îndeplinea nevoile şi făcea minuni. El a spus oamenilor că dacă nu vor să creadă ceea ce le spune, ar trebui să creadă în El măcar fiindcă văd minunile pe care le face.)
Dumnezeu si-a aratat iubirea fata de oameni dandu-L pe singurul Sau Fiu, pentru ca oricine crede in El sa nu piara ci sa aiba viata vesnica.
Crestinismul se bazeaza pe marturiile a zeci de mii de sfinti, a 12 apostoli care au vorbit despre Hristos ca fiind Fiul Lui Dumnezeu si pe cuvintele si faptele Mantuiorului nostru Iisus Hristos.
Nebunia este o boala depistata de medicina. Exista numeroase boli psihice care sunt clasificate si tratate de medicina, din pacate nu vindecate, iar un medic stie foarte bine sa faca diferenta intre un om bolnav psihic si un om care se afla in deplinatatea facultatilor mintale. Putem si noi sa ne dam seama cand un om este bolnav psihic sau nu. Deci nu confundati lucrurile.
Un om cu o boala psihica se poate crede si Napoléon Bonaparte, nu numai Hristos sau anumiti sfinti, cum spuneti dvs. O persoana bolnava psihic nu mai detine controlul asupra faptelor sale si a gandirii sale. Nebunia a fost si va ramane o enigma si pentru medicina, nu exista remediu, iar medicamentele doar amelioreaza starea pacientului.
Din contra, va pot spune ca unii oameni chiar s-au vindecat prin puterea credintei, cu ajutorul lui Dumnezeu, cu ajutorul familiei care i-au dus la biserica si la moastele sfintilor si au incercat sa-i apropie putin de Dumnezeu. Am vazut o emisiune in care un preot, (ce are biserica langa spitalul de boli psihice si cunoaste multe cazuri), povestea ca foarte multe persoane care s-au imbolnavit psihic, erau oameni care nu aveau credinta in Dumnezeu, iar la prima deziluzie din viata, au picat, simtindu-se singuri intr-o lume plina de rautate, fara un sprijin, fara o protectie divina, dand in depresie si apoi in nebunie si apoi inca un pas pana la sinucidere, ei simtindu-se ingrozitor in trupurile lor. Nu pot spune ca nu are dreptate, pentru ca stiu si eu destule cazuri. Este foarte trist...Un om bolnav psihic se inchide in lumea lui, in singuratatea lui, suparat, parca, pe lumea reala din jurul lui. Acest preot le citeste acestor bolnavi din Sfanta Evanghelie si a marturisit ca sunt multe persoane care s-au vindecat miraculos, cu ajurorul credintei, iar apoi au inceput sa mearga in biserica, singuri.
Incercati sa pastrati, macar putina credinta in sufletul dvs, nu va mai duceti dupa lucruri necunoscute in aparenta frumoase si care ascund secrete, care nu va vor aduce nimic bun in viata si nu va vor ajuta. Un ceas poate sa aiba carcasa de aur si un mecanism stricat.
In final va scriu aceasta povestioara, pe care sunt sigura ca ati mai auzit-o.
,,Patru lumanari ardeau palpaind. Era liniste, atata liniste, incat puteai auzi soaptele sfaraite ale lumanarelelor.
Prima lumanare ofta:,,Numele meu e PACE. Lumina mea lumineaza in intuneric, dar ce folos, oamenii nu ma vor…" Si luminita ei deveni tot mai mica, pana ce se stinse cu totul.
A doua lumanare tresari palpaind si sopti sfaraind:,, Eu ma numesc CREDINTA, dar se pare ca sunt in plus. Oamenii nu vor sa auda de DUMNEZEU. Nu mai are nici un sens sa ma consum arzand…" O adiere strabatu incaperea si lumanarea se stinse.
Cu o voce abia soptita incepu sa vorbeasca si cea de-a treia lumanare:,, DRAGOSTE mi-e numele si simt cum mi se sfarsesc puterile. Oamenii ma imping de-o parte si n-au ochi pentru cei care ar trebui sa-i iubeasca…" Cu o ultima palpaire, se stinse si lumina DRAGOSTEI.
Un baietel intra atunci in incapere. Se uita la lumanarile stinse si rosti printre lacrimi:,, Bine, dar lumanarile ar trebui sa arda!"
Atunci se auzi soapta celei de a patra lumanari:,, Nu te teme, nu plange, copilas! Cata vreme ma vezi pe mine palpaind, mai putem reaprinde celelalte lumanari. Numele meu este SPERANTA!"
Baietelul prinse curaj, lua in maini SPERANTA si reaprinse de la flacara ei PACEA, CREDINTA si DRAGOSTEA. Cele patru lumanari isi raspandeau din nou lumina.

Cu siguranta toti ne regasim in acel baietel speriat si trist care cauta lumina pacii, lumina credintei si lumina dragostei in aceasta lume, dar pe care, din pacate, le gaseste stinse. Dar lumina sperantei este cea care nu se va stinge niciodata si atata timp cat exista copiii nevinovati si oamenii care inca mai spera si cauta iubirea si pacea si isi pastreaza credinta, acestea vor ramane aprinse prin speranta lor si prin dorinta lor de a le readuce in lume.
In inimile noastre iubirea, pacea, credinta si speranta nu trebuie sa moara niciodata, pentru ca acestea sunt adevaratele valori ale vietii. Mai presus de toate dragostea...
Daca iubiti oamenii din jurul dvs, incercati totusi sa-L iubiti si pe Dumnezeu si sa-L descoperiti. Il veti simti cu inima si cu sufletul, nu trebuie sa-L vedeti. Uitati-va la tot ce ne inconjoara, la frumusetea naturii, a florilor, nu puteau sa apara toate acestea in urma hazardului, numai din iubire se naste viata si fiecare om are menirea lui pe acest pamant si un numar de ani.
Numai bine si Dumnezeu sa va ajute!

| scumpik99 a răspuns (pentru iubirecredintasisperanta):

Sunt de acord cu tine! Sper ca ceilalti sa inteleaga si sa accepte ca este un adevar sfant ce le-ai explicat!
Pe mine personal m-ai lasat fara cuvinte!

| Ciobîcă_Ovidiu_1983 a răspuns:

Intrebarea ta e clar tendentioasa, iar afirmatia cu nebunii ce se cred Dumnezeu e fantasmagorica.
De unde ai tu informatiile, din filme hollywoodiene? Cei mai multi se cred Satan, intereseaza-te.
Nu exista nebuni, ci oameni posedati, care se manifesta ca atare. Exorcizarile demonstreaza sursa acestor manifestari, in timp ce stiinta e neputincioasa, ofera doar medicamente care distrug omul, nu i-l vindeca.
Stiinta fara constiinta e a satanei, adevarata intelepciune vine de la Dumnezeu.
Desteptilor, daca innebunesti citind Biblia, n-ar trebui sa fim cu totii nebuni?